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Old 10-24-2004, 09:02 PM
MEbenhoe MEbenhoe is offline
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Default Re: Internet Texas Hold\'em: Poker Concepts II (pg 51-72)

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Well if we're to be most clear, we should go back to the book and the context of the statement, which is that *one* of the reasons to raise would be to make an opponent make a mistake by calling when there are not proper odds to do so.
This is independent of a "strong" or "weak" draw - it is only related to making it a mistake. It can be a "strong" draw with less than sufficient pot/implied odds, or a "weak" draw with less than sufficient pot/implied odds.


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Well part of the reason UWMadtown took over for this book was because I don't own ITH nor do I wish to spend any time reading it. Because of this I was basing my comments off of what he said not what was in the book.

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But it's not never, especially in the context of the book, which is mostly mid to highish limit games that make up the bulk of the book's hand examples. Certainly, I have folded flush draws because I didn't have the pot odds in some of the games I've played in. But that's not really the point. The point is that you shouldn't play by general principles like "never fold a flush draw". You should play by general principles like "fold if you don't have the pot/implied odds to continue". (Obviously this is more complicated if bluffing or table image are taken into account, but the fundmental idea is here.)

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Like Mason pointed out in another post the name of the book is Internet Texas Hold Em so all the concepts in the book should apply to internet games. The "mid to highish limit" games online are still loose games with multiway pots(as are many of these games in B&M as well), in which it is rarely correct to drop your flush draw for pot odds reasons. Also, I'd really love for you to show me an instance in which your implied odds on the flop are not good enough for you to continue on your flush draw.
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