[MrWookie47]

I think at this point we're arguing past each other with semantics, so we should probably drop it. I was just noting that you had said that if someone was spraying so badly as to be 3betting with UI overcards, your plan would be to call down all the way. I was thinking we should find a raise in there and call down when 3bet if he's spraying that badly. That seems to be what you advocate in your second post. I think I agree with you that I would rather raise the turn than the flop.