[Josh W]

I'm sad.

I saw this thread a few hours ago, and thought it would be a 10 reply thread, then die in obscurity. I'm saddened greatly that there can be any sort of debate about this.

It's WINDSPEED that enables lift. If the plane isn't moving relative to the wind, it ain't going up.

As a very correlate aside, planes take off into the wind. They also land into the wind.

So saddened.

Josh