[pzhon]

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In order for [folding KK preflop] to even be a consideration, you neeed either incredibly deep stacks or a great read,

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No, you don't. The example I gave of Situation A was a clear fold. Calling would be a huge error (the question is whether it would cost 1/2 buy-in or more), but the stacks were only 1.5 buy-ins and the read was only that the player was not a maniac.

I'm disappointed that the new sticky repeated theblitz's fallacy. I think sticky threads should be held to a higher standard, particularly on 2+2.

A flood of "bad beat"-type posts (when you have the odds to call with KK preflop or a set on the flop) would not discourage me from contributing to this forum. What does concern me is the lack of coherent discussion and clear thought.