[Evan]

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my point was just that even if you did check fold that flop every single time calling preflop would still be very +EV.

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Oh, okay. I agree with that. My question is really about maximizing EV, not just ensuring it's positive.


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Against most playears I think check/fold is best. Yes, you may have the best hand but you're OOP and I think making a move on this flop will be too costly against most players.

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Okay. That's pretty much what I'm asking.