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Old 07-05-2005, 10:24 PM
RedManPlus RedManPlus is offline
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Default Re: What\'s More Important In PT: win % or net won?

That PokerRoom thing is a very large sample...
Overlapping several game levels...
But it must be skewed to the lower levels...
Because that's where most of the players are.

PokerRoom describes the data as follows:

"They serve as a total average for all players.
These statistics are updated daily."

It's good to think in terms of what an "average player" does...
Versus what a "winning player" does.

I also have my own sample of 120,000 Party $2/$4 hands...
But since you only know the hole cards of hands that go to showdown and cards are revealed...
(About 13% of all hands)...
So this is a special and limited sample in many ways.
(I've since moved on to play SNGs exclusively...
That's where the money is).

Expected Value in BB - Partial Listing

Average Winning
Player Player Difference
AA 2.56 3.48 +0.92
KK 1.85 2.91 +1.07
QQ 1.13 2.42 +1.29
JJ 0.86 2.14 +1.27
TT 0.89 2.88 +1.99

AKs 1.18 1.53 +0.35
KQs 0.89 1.99 +1.11
QJs 0.59 0.51 -0.08
JTs 0.76 1.15 +0.39

For example (in this type of sample)...
With AA an "average player" wins 2.56 x 4.00 = $10.24
With AA an "winning player" wins 3.48 x 4.00 = $13.92

Overall...
"Winning players" do about 1.25 BB better...
Than "average players"...
But it's not uniformly distributed.

Experts at the $2/$4 levels have problems with...
AKs, QJs, JTs, and others connectors...
Playing them not much better than an "average player".

How many hands?

There are very dogmatic people around here...
That throw around very large numbers they claim are "required"...
To "prove" statistical significance.

They forget one thing.

Hold 'em is a game...
That has always quickly separated the men from the boys.
That's why it decides the World Champion.

If you are a "winning player" at this game...
Especially NL...
It is apparent fairly quickly...
Dogmatic stats geeks notwithstanding.

I would say...
100 hours of limit... or 50 SNG tournaments (50 hours)...
Will pretty much show you where you stand...
And PT will show you where your leaks are.

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