[Ironman]

Bullet,

I hear what you are saying and agree with the vast majority of it but there is something more to these wrap around straight draws when they hit.

I haven't entirely thought this through yet, but bear with me. I think it's worth mentioning.

The reason someone wants to see a flop with either 3,4,5,6 or 9, 10, J, Q is not so much that they win frequently, but because they win HUGE pots when they hit well...even when splitting the pot because so many people hit a part of the pot and keep chasing along.

See a cheap flop. Throw it away when you miss.

Just some thoughts,

Dave