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Pokeredge is 3rd party information...in a collusionary manner.


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Collusion is making decisions by knowing cards you can't know about the hand in progress. PokerEdge (or any datamining tool for that matter) isn't remotely related to collusion.

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Pokertracker is YOUR own information


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It might be. It might you simply requested hand histories for all sorts of hands, or swapped with friends, or used a site that people can dump histories to in order to share indirectly.

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And PT does no good for you in data mining on Stars since unless the hands are shown with the loser showing down his hand you have incomplete information.


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Totally clueless statement. The most useful info is about patterns of play that have nothing to do with showdown. What's his VPIP? How often did he try to steal? All of that data is there to be had regardless of if they see showdown. Seeing the showdown hands is the least valuable thing to me about datamining.

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But to "collude" in gathering information by using information others gathered or to share information with others is obviously and strictly forbidden.


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No where does Party say you can't share hand histories.

Again, you also completely misunderstand the word collude in the context of poker. By your definition any and every hand posting to 2+2 that includes a hand history # in it is collusion as you're making that hand available in a central place. Though, party makes all hands available to anyone through HH requests anyway, so perhaps Party is colluding with everyone?

As for sharing my hand histories, it's my information, I'll share it with whoever the heck I want. Party has no say in who I can give my hand histories to. If I and a bunch of others all choose to share our hands and pay someone $10/month to host, they're our hands to share.

BTW, you'd best not ever verbally describe hands with a friend either. You'll be sharing information about opponents and thus be "colluding" and cheating.

You've picked an arbitrary spot in the large field of shades of grey to draw a line and say "this is wrong", "my way is fine". You can feel however you want about it, but that doesn't mean your position is even remotely the definitive statement on the issue.