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Fold the ATs hand.
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Sorry to reply to such a stale thread, but I had to reply to your posts. About the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] hand...
SSH says you can cold call ATs+ in EP against a raise at a loose table. This was a very loose table. They were raising with sh*t and showing down the same.
Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed)
FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">
3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.
Flop: (12 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.
I've got a gutshot to the nuts (3.5 outs) BDflush (1.5) over card (1) I've got 6 outs, I need 7:1 to call I'm getting 13:1, that's what the raise was for, to protect my hand (there is a good quiz in SSE when we have an overcard (or two..i forget), gutshot draw, and BD flush draw. Miller recommneds that we 3 bet with that hand for value on the flop. We have Ace-high and he recommends a 3bet! Check out the quiz.) Admittedly, UTG's flop 3-bet is ugly...
Turn: (13.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB folds.
River: (17.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero folds, Button folds, UTG calls.
obviously I fold to the bet and raise here.
Final Pot: 21.50 BB
The comments about the other hands are well taken. Often I had FPS and wanted to C/R the flop aggressor on the turn, but failed.
The A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hand above was a misclick - I was playing two limits at the same time and didn't realize I didn't have the pot odds. I hit lucky though!
About the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] hand, I think a call UTG with a hand like this is really pushing the envelope. I'd love to see this hand from LP so I can raise the field if I hit the flop well. Also I get to see the action before me on the flop. Plus, it might cost me more than 1 bet to see the flop - me no like.