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I dont see why people look at a preflop blind defense as getting paid X to 1.

Yes, you're getting paid a large amount relative to the bet, but you're also up against several other hands that are (in most cases) going to be better than yours, and often dominate yours. 8/9_OFF_ doesnt exactly have great visibility, and you're OOP the entire hand.

From preflop value alone, it's a definite call. You cant neglect the fact that you're going to be a net loser in the hand in terms of postflop action (on average) unless these people are complete retards.


Something tells me that raise/folding the river is correct, but i couldnt for my life bare to fold to one more bet if 3bet in that large a pot. I'd prefer that i just avoid the potential anxiety and call.