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Old 09-20-2005, 10:21 PM
jwvdcw jwvdcw is offline
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Default Re: Ace Jack on the button

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It is the second stage of the tournament. You should not take priority in worrying about blind stealing and opponent's possible attempt at blind stealing for 50 chips on the cutoff AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AJo is a garbage hand for THIS SITUATION, as in PLAYING INTO A RAISE. AJo is fine when folded to, and would also be fine when raised later in the tournament when people actually fight for the blinds. I seriously doubt hero has an accurate enough read on villain and rest of the table to answer some of your questions right now. What you end up doing is putting in half your stack, early in the tournament, into pot with Ace high without any real information by taking this line. He called your reraise preflop, and whether or not he is capable of holding garbage here is based on your read, a read which isn't good enough at this point in time for that kind of judgement I wouldn't think.

If you don't think a better situation than that will arise, you are likely wrong. Players overvalue AJ pretty heavily, and just like in the case of KQ, worst thing that can happen often enough is an ace or jack flopping.

I don't think folding AJ to a raise in this spot is too weak, I think it is a very solid play and the clear-cut best play in this situation. Once we have put ourselves in this particular situation, if opponent is a true LAG he will be calling that continuation bet on the flop quite often to see if you show weakness on the turn, so you aren't learning much by betting here(of course this is read based, but your read is what got you in the hand in the first place). A delayed continuation bet on the turn is much more likely to be scarier and successful if he doesn't have a big hand here himself and checks to you again on the turn, since you were representing a very strong hand preflop. Now instead of you showing weakness on the turn, you get to see if he does. If he bets it, you can get away for much less than you would have, if he checks it, you can make the bet now and will end up taking the pot down much more often than you would against a LAG on the flop. You represented a big hand preflop, and a check behind him instead of making a normal continuation bet on this KK9 rainbow board indicates you are either very weak (which with your reraise this early is very doubtful he can put you on without a significant read on his part) or aren't worried about taking down the pot you have bloated preflop on this street, and are ok with giving him a free card, perhaps in hopes of him catching something. Why bet the flop for another 1/4 of your stack and put yourself in such a bad position if called? Check behind him, if he checks you can throw out the bet as a solid attempt at taking the pot down. If he calls turn bet and then checks on river, you have a hard decision to make. You can check behind and hope pair of jacks is good, you can push hoping to induce a fold but not being sure if he is capable of folding a better hand. Checking behind him on the turn you show big weakness, and he may bet river with nothing, and then you have another hard decision. If he calls turn and bets river, you get to get away from the hand -only- losing half your stack.

He called your preflop re-raise, so your re-steal had failed*, why take this less-than-marginal situation this far this early? This isn't about waiting for AA, this is just about a bad spot hero put himself in by simply choosing to play a marginal hand into a raise early in the tournament, and it is a big leak in many players' game. A call PF here can get you in just as much trouble, although in this situation you would have likely saved hero some chips. Doesn't mean it is a much better way to play it though.

*With AJ, a reraise is more of a re-steal, which you can pull on a LAG that has been raising a lot of pots but capable of folding, where you don't really want a call, and its pretty early to be employing moves like that, unless once again you have some kind of remarkable read. A book can be written about the trickyness of AJ/KQ type of hands, and clogging up that one leak alone will impact your game big time. Being results oriented here, compare a fold to any possible line in this situation. You tell me folding here is too weak? Look how much trouble it would save you, and how many complicated decisions you get to avoid. Playing KQ and AJ into early into raises in similar situations like this will often end up putting you in difficult scenarios, just like it had here. I apologize for writing an essay about it here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] but this is the kind of recurring situation that costs many players many chips, and is an easily fixable leak.

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I can't envision any hand that he could possibly have where the flop would put him in a trouble spot and he could lose his whole stack. If he had A-10, then he could easily get away from that.
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