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jb9 · #1 07-02-2005, 01:46 AM

I had three of these happen in a few minutes tonight and felt pretty uncomfortable about each one, so I thought I'd post them together. It was a different villain each time (but the same table).

In each hand, I had a pocket pair, was playing the hand straightforward, and was raised by a loose aggressive player who could easily be bluffing or have me beat. All three times, I just called down from that point on.

Against tighter or more passive players, I would feel better about folding (since they will often have a strong hand) or reraising (since they will fold or slow down if they don't have a solid hand). But against loose aggressive players, I feel less sure of how to proceed, thus I call down.

I guess what I'm wondering is are "bets saved by slowing down when you are beat" + "bets won by not folding to bluffs" greater than "bets not won by not getting in extra bets and raises when you have the best hand" + "bets lost calling down with the worst hand".

Here are the three hands that made me think of this. Any comments on these hands or the general idea of how to respond to raises from LAGs when you have TPTK or a pocket pair would be appreciated.

I hadn't played a long time at the table, but it was very loose, very aggressive, with players cold calling with J6, raising with 98o, etc. The villain in the first hand had just sat down, so no read (although it quickly became clear later that he was a LAG). The villains in the other 2 hands were definite LAGs.

HAND 1:

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $3.
3 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO (poster) calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5.66 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

River: (11.66 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 13.66 BB

HAND 2:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, MP1 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero caps, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

River: (11.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

HAND 3:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, CO raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB