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Old 11-21-2005, 07:45 AM
Roland Roland is offline
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Default Re: Conversation with Bartholow..

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He mentioned to me that he thinks too many posts on this forum just revolve around people making recommendations to fold 3rd street, etc..

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I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying, Bart.
I mean, some noob post a hand where he was trying to steal with a high bag in EP at a loose .02/.04 table, we’ve got to tell him to fold 3rd, no? Doesn’t mean we can’t get an interesting discussion going on how he should have played the later streets, even if he shouldn’t have been in there in the first place.
Then, we get a lot of posts where it’s not so clear if the hand should have been played or not. I don’t see anything wrong with discussing that and I think it’s well worth it. I’ve posted a good deal of these hands myself, because I think there interesting and because I enjoy thinking about them. Can’t see how that’s a bad thing.


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I think that there are some of us in this forum who are missing opportunities to play on later streets by folding third too often.

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First of all, this just depends on the structure, like Jon said. Playing to many hands in the tight Party structures is going to kill you, for sure. Now that doesn’t mean you can’t play a marginal hand once in a while. You even should, if you think it will make you some $$$. Obviously. The thing is, though, that Bart or Jeff or Carlos etc. are going to be able to tell you why they think the hand can be played for profit. Remember the hand Carlos posted recently? 2A4 with a 2-flush? Looks like a bad hand, but he had excellent reasons to play it (looser structure of course, but it does illustrate my point).

Bottom line, I think you’re contradicting yourself. You want to see people playing more marginal hands, giving themselves an opportunity to out-play their opponents on later street, right? But you can’t just tell people “play more hands” without telling them which hands, exactly.
Granted, get a discussion going about a close 3rd street decision and I’m probably going to chime in with a “fold 3rd”. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Doesn’t mean you can’t respond with a “no, raise 3rd, because…” though.
So really, what you want is more of these 3rd street discussions, not less.
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