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It's very very atypical that former CIA directors or other major officials will criticize a sitting presient or vice president.

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I think this has more to do with the political climate. The precedent has already been broken by Carter and Clinton so it's not like Turner's in unchartered terroritory.

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Incidentally, i think Turner meant more that Cheney was in favor of torture, rather than that he was the VP or torture.

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Turner said exactly that; that Cheney advocates torture. I posted the quote. And if, as you said before (and my sarcasm detector is fritzy so I'm not sure how serious you were being), you don't necessarily agree that torture should be banned, you must also be advocating torture, according to Turner's logic. If this is the logic the man is using, why should anyone care what he says?

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Regardless, what Cheney is doing now is laughable. The problem these nuts have is that they think they have a PR or political problem when really what they have is a policy problem.

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I think they have all three, but that could just be me.

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If they spent less time trying to argue that Democrats were the cause of all the world's problems and more time fighting terrorism and trying to end the Iraq War on positive terms, we'd all be better off.

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You realize I could switch Democrats and they (the administration) and the sentence would still be applicable, right? You're engaging in exactly the behavior you're condemning the Bush admin of.