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BTW, I don't buy into the "glory days" crap - just kind of responding to the tone of the thread. (O)OT has been around for forever, not just 2 years.

For the record, there's plenty going on now that is just as good, and frequently better than "the old days", both here and in the strategy forums. There are 20x the users, how can there not be?

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The signal to noise ratio might me the same, but it can take a while to sift through it these days just because there is so much of it. We also don't get nearly enough Zee as we did a couple of years back. This used to be his forum: zee.