Re: Utterly confused with KK
If I've done my math right (always a big if) the odds that someone is dealt an ace at a full table are about 80%.
Given the number of players to the flop, the kind of players, and the early bet, I'd guess the odds in this case are quite a bit worse than that.
It looks like raising is just throwing away chips to me, and folding is probably best. You might convince me calling is ok, based on implied odds if you hit your two-outer, + the small chance the flop-bettor checks the turn.
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call me weak/tight, but i fold the flop. in hands like this when it's multiway, i too often find myself spewing chips only to show down a 2nd or 3rd best hand.
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