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The complainer was probably angry about something I have observed in Horseshoe Tunica. "Prop"? A "prop" is used to fill games and to start games, in short handed scenarios.

THOSE PROFESSIONAL CARD PLAYERS WHO DOUBLE AS DEALERS in Horseshoe are NOT "props". Real props typically leave a game, where there is a long list of persons waiting to play.
The so-called props in Horseshoe KEEP THE SEAT TIED UP, sometimes for hours. I have personally seen a Horseshoe dealer, playing in a game, leave that game, where he HAD HIS BUDDY PLAY HIS MONEY, until the dealer did his time in the "box"...THEN RETURNED TO THE GAME (full of tourists) !!! That's not a "prop". That's a professional player making money, from the visitors.

I may as well get it all out...Those who run Horseshoe must think they are the smartest folks and everyone else is dumb.
For those of you who WORK THERE, be advised that many of us have PLAYED CARDS in LAS VEGAS with some of those very persons you call "props", when they were PROFESSIONAL POKER PLAYERS....and you know of whom I speak.

It may have seemed the player was complaining about a "check-raise", when he was actually complaining about a HORSESHOE EMPLOYEE BULLDOG, being "sicced" on him.

To heck with a rule change regarding check-raising, that's not the real issue...GET THOSE "ON DUTY" HORSESHOE DEALERS OUT OF ALL THE GAMES. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]




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I was dealing in a 4-8 game the other day with 2 props. One of the props check-raised the flop and led out to the river with a set against a "nitty" player. Aftr the hand was over the nit player absolutly LIT into the prop for check-raising and told him he'd never tip him again when he dealt. The prop replied that he was only playing his hand and it was nothing personal. The prop literarly had to get up and walk from the table to avoid confrontation from the player. Now my view is the room needs props. Props help the players and the room start games and hold short games together. It's hard enough to get good props to play knowing they're giving up a "X" amount of money they could make dealing. Taking away the ability to check-raise from a prop is like taking away the pass rush in football. It's hard enough to beat a low limit game like 4-8. Check-raise is PART OF THE GAME. The nit player that got mad in my opinion was way out of line by getting upset with the prop. I personaly would never support a rule not allowing a prop to check-raise.

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In many markets props (moreso with dealers) are allowed to stay in their seat once they get in it. They have started the game and there would be no game to play if they hadn't started it. In a dealer's case they gave up a lot of money they could have made in order to start a game, it would be unreasonable to now ask them to leave that seat.

As far as standard props it varies by room. I have worked in markets where they dont' even have to tell you who the props are and they typically remain in the game even when it is full. Other places the props have to get up when the game fills and some other places they have to get up when the list gets to a certain length.