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Old 12-20-2005, 06:52 AM
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That's clearly the case is contemporary society.

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This is very wrong and goes against the accepted wisdom. Dumb people have more kids, and have for a long time. See this reference - and there are many other credible ones that I have read.

http://www.eugenics.net/papers/Intelfert.html

"This paper reports the results of the first analysis of the relationship between intelligence and completed fertility (as well as partially completed fertility) in the United States which employs a large, representative sample of the population. The major finding is that the relationship has been predominantly negative from 1912 to 1982."

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Interbreeding, what's your evidence of that? Would test participants of mixed race qualify for these kind of studies on race related IQ? I don't know the answer to that - but I'm guessing not.

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These aren't race related tests. They're tests for the military, school, etc where race is reported as a statistic along with other information.

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Again this is not an issue of race it's an issue of environment. If you visit sub-saharan africa you'll see exactly why IQ is not highly valued. Black Americans/Europeans etc do not live in Africa. If a high IQ is attractive, and a gap is present as a result of that history, it will close with or without interbreeding.

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And just as a voice of reason, the gap isn't exactly very big as it is, and there's plenty crossover.

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The gap between 100 and 85 IQ is massive in modern society. An IQ this low makes you incapable of holding many middle class jobs, running a business, going to college, adequately planning for your future, educating your kids, or finding creative solutions to your social or economic difficulties. Let alone excelling in those endeavours. Why do you think there's so much crime amongst this race? Poverty alone doesn't account for it, not any more.

There is some crossover. But you generally need a reasonable IQ to be successful in modern life, and less than 15% of blacks have even an average white IQ. Such a large population of semi-retarded individuals (50% below 85) results in cultural and family problems as well, such as gangs, drugs, and seeing violence as a solution to problems.

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The phenomena you're talking about, and the article you reference, concerns the intelligentsia being outbred. That is, the higher IQ, college educated, middle class etc being outbred by the less educated lower social classes. That's obviously real and happening, and the conventional wisdom you're referring to. But it's not what I'm talking about. As hard as it is to believe with all the stupid people crapping out kids, they are selecting IQ. This is evidenced by a steady increase in average IQ throughout the west over the last 50 years or so despite the lower socio-economic classes doing most of the breeding.

And RE: race studies. Test participants a poor language choice on my part, I just mean to say that I suspect being mixed race precludes being counted for the purpose of those statistics. Obviously it'd be a huge scientific flaw otherwise.

And RE: race inheritance. All those things are environmental also. They're a product of selection just like IQ, and as IQ becomes advantageous, which it clearly is in our society, that selection will take place, and the gap will close - which it clearly already is doing.
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