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Old 02-02-2005, 04:09 PM
droolie droolie is offline
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Default Re: Flush draw on flop

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I thought others would call behind as it was a loose passive table.

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This is the reason you try for the free card.

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Droolie,

If the table is really passive, how often will they bet the turn? How often are they betting made hands vs. drawing hands?

If they will bet the turn and the river the majority of the time, your relative position to the bettor (having EP trapped) leaves you in a great place to extract bets later in the hand. This needs to be considered in an analysis of a hand where you aren't gaining equity if anyone folds to your raise on the flop.

This isn't nearly as easy of a raise as everyone is making it out to be.

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Are you leaning towards a call here? Situations come up like this all the time and I always play them the same way versus passive opponents. You're right that calling isn't that bad but I still think raising is better against passive opponents and it's something I'll do every time, which for me is an easy raise.

In a three way pot I expect the BB to lead the turn a high % of the time if we just call the flop. The pot is small and if we have to face 2 cold on the turn we probably don't have the odds to see the river. When we raise the flop we disguise the flush draw nicely and our expectation goes up when we hit and one of the villians improves or has a set or something. This I believe winds up being a wash when we might have gotten more bets by waking up on the turn or river when we make our flush. We also garauntee ourselves odds to see this through to the river. I'm not terribly concerned with slight edges or slight disadvantages in equity as this is not a flop pump but a free card play. The fact that's it's close to even is what is important.
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