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Old 12-12-2005, 06:54 PM
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Default Re: Overcall with the 2nd Nuts?

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TABLE CONDITIONS: Playing quite loose with overall (table) V$IP around
30%.

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Raise PF. You're hand is probably best against players like this. If it's not and you get a bunch of callers great - you also happen to hold a hand that plays well in a multiway pot. Secondly, if you happen to flop big - as was the case in this hand - you're extra strong holding is disguised in that normal loose, bad players will not be able to place you on this hand.

The blind is posted 6 seats away from you. IMO - it's not a reason to be raising, calling or folding. There's much that can happen in between you and that blind that is of more importance than the simple fact that there is a blind posted.

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BB is average/weak V$IP25/05. Button and CO are quite new, I have less than 1 orbit of hands on them.

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The other players (save the all-in BB) are unkown to you. In general you should be assuming that these players are more likely to call bets on the flop than on the bug streets - this can/should be a pretty general assumption of most unknown players. Therefore, my comments about your preflop and flop play costing you money on this hand are as follows:

(A) Had you made a very correct raise PF you would've started building a pot. You would've tied people to the pot in the event that you made a big hand.

(B) Not raising the flop did not give you a chance to get your unknown players further tied to the pot in the event that they had a lone [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or pair hand that is essentially drawing dead.

(C) You're operating under the assumption that these guys are going to overcall you on the turn - which you (a) shouldn't be making given they're unknown and (b) is a dangerous game to play when there's a good possibility (given this very draw heavy board) that there are strong second-best hands out or (what Villians think are) strong draws against your second nuts.
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