OK let\'s try the value of X Y Z
The game is 1/2 stud with .25 ante .5 bring-in
The game is 8 handed, loose but not aggressive, a lot of calling stations, if some one makes a flush/straight they usually don't raise until its made. Not even a raise on 4 card draw. Two pair wins seem common maybe it is my perception.
So given that all of the above and you are sitting at a table. You have XY Z (high cards or low cards)
what value would you put in a hand if you see none of your X Y or Z out?
What about no X Y Z out on fourth street?
Also can someone tell me the odds of improving to two pair when all three of your starters are live.
Disclaimer -- I am posting this to start a discussion. I have read Ray Zee and other people who say dont stary with a high pair or better. I am just wondering if anyone would lower their standards in a calling station type game, that it is easy to read your opponent.
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