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Old 11-18-2005, 12:19 AM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default Re: ($5) NL sit/go 1 table - RF draw on button facing allin and call

Hi, great first post. Welcome to the forum.

My only problem with this post is that you posted the results in the original post - this can often lead to people giving bad advice based on the hands that your opponents actually had, which obviously you don't have.

The first think that I would do differently here is push preflop. Your opponents have enough chips to put you to a difficult decision to call an allin reraise, and you said they are both tight. I am happy to win the blinds with a hand that makes middle pair often post flop. But I don't think calling is particularly bad, either.

Ok, so everyone saw the flop. You have two effective allins by the time it gets to you. Realize that there is now 7200 chips in the pot and only 1800 in your opponents stack - he is obligated to call your push with whatever he called the flop with. So the question you asked really doesn't matter.

The question that is more important here is do you even call at all. Let's look at the situation. You are effectively being asked to call 2000 more to win 1200 + 2000 + 2000 = 5200 against two opponents, and another 1800 against one opponent. There is a lot of math to be done here which could get very complicated but I will try to keep it simple.

If there is no other flush draw (i.e. both opponents have a pair) you have about 11 outs for about 41% pot equity (which is plenty in a 3 way pot with dead chips, you would need about 28% off the top of my head). I am subtracting half an out for the possibility of a dead queen and another half an out for the possibility of a dead spade. If there is another flush draw out, and the BB has it, you are crushing him unless he has the queen of spades (which happens pretty rarely). So you are way ahead in the sidepot but not as much equity in the main pot.

The worst case scenario is when the SB has the nut flush draw and the BB has an ace. Then you only have 3 outs - but with aggressive opponents I think that doesn't happen nearly often enough for you to worry about.

As to your original question - you don't want to be put in a spot where the turn blanks and the BB pushes the rest of his chips. Then you could possibly be getting the chips in as a much worse dog but still have to make the call because of the large pot. I would push now.

And again, welcome to the forum.
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