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Old 12-21-2005, 05:02 AM
squeek12 squeek12 is offline
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Default bad beat hand, but questionable play...need help

Alright, I posted this in the BBV forum and got flamed. Villians are two unknowns


Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (15 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP1 folds, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 21 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Qh 7d (three of a kind, queens).
UTG has 4d 2s (straight, six high).
Hero has Jh Qc (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: UTG wins 21 BB. </font>


First of all, should I call preflop with three limpers before me? The controversy is about my turn play though. My reasoning for just calling is that I capped the flop and SB still bets into me, which told me that he either was full on the flop, just filled up, or has a better kicker than mine. The OB just calling the flop 3-bet also had me a bit concerned.

Most wanted me to raise the turn, which I understand, but what happens if I do and get 3-bet. This whole hand is why I tend to just chunk QJo in the muck preflop, but my VPIP is only about 14.5 and I've been looking for ways to get it up to about 16-17.
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