Re: Potowatomi collusion
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3) It's a kill pot. Before the cards are dealt, the leader of their group whispers to the guy on his right (one of his friends) to 'bump it up'. Leader, who is UTG, raises, his friend to his right re-raises.
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His friend is in the big blind, right? Were there callers in between? It's not collusion to agree to raise or 3-bet without looking at your cards. The other two examples you gave, if they're not "jokes", are examples of team play or collusion.
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Sorry, I tried fixing my OP, but it was too late. The guy who said to bump it up was UTG, his friend was directly to his LEFT. The kill was on the button.
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It's still ok to multiple blind straddle even in a kill pot.
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What they did was NOT a 'blind straddle'. In a blind straddle, everyone knows that the bet has been placed prior to the cards being dealt. Having a secret plan between two players to raise and re-raise is NOT a blind straddle, it's collusion.
I just happened to overhear the 'bump it up' comment. If they had announced to the table what they were planning on doing, that would be a different matter. But that wasn't the case - I overheard the guy whispering to his friend. So, they had a plan prior to the cards being dealt to give the illusion to the rest of the table that they had two very strong hands - which would on most occassions allow them to 'buy' the kill pot. What took place here bears absolutely no resemblance to a blind straddle.
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Realize when confronting the floor, the much better part of your complaint is the other stuff that happened during a hand that you described. THOSE are the strong point of your argument that should stand alone w/o even bringing this preflop situation up. Simply because this situation can be seen as speculative as now you have to see if everyone else heard them and it's big mess as many might not have even paid attention if they said it out loud anyways. If they're not going to do something about the other, more blatant stuff, they sure aren't going to do something about this.
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