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Long ago I published a wrap nomenclature, which bears repeating in such circumstances:

English wrap - 13 outs plus
American/Canadian wrap - 8 outs or less
Swedish/Nordic/Cold Country wrap - 4 outs or less

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What is even funnier about those descriptions Dave, it that so many players seem to play the worst ones faster and just call along with the truly good ones.