Just like taxes Steve. I used to live in CA, actually was there most of my life. That is the most messed up joke of a state you have ever seen. Tons of white supremacist types that spout off about immigrants, yet eat Chinese on Monday, Mexican on Tuesday, Thai on Wednesday, Taco Bell on Thursday...you get the point. Tons of environmentalists just like you say, want a mini-van for their kids, have three computers in their house, work about 50 miles from home polluting and causing traffic...yet they talk about how we need to save the earth. Latest funny is the whole energy thing that I have talked about at length. "We need more renewable resources" they cry. Where you gonna put them? The windfarms can't be built because your suburbs are everywhere taking up the good potential spots outside LA and SF, solar won't work well because the three major cities have low clouds half the day, electric cars won't work because they commute so damn far in so much traffic. Just shows what happens to people when they make too much money and don't really know what to do with it. They get the "half-way" guilty feeling. They don't really feel guilty, they just pretend that if they act concerned and claim to be for causes that they never really would sacrifice for they will get salvation somehow. Now they are going to re-elect Gray Davis because he is straight out of the Bill Clinton school of never really being for anything other than appearing to be "compassionate" and following those polls whichever way they blow.