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It seemed obvious to me too until I ran my excel spreadsheet counting specific cards with specific results. depending on what assumptions you want to use its relatively close.

-g

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Gergery,

What kind of assumptions are you making about other hands that are staying in? Any Ten will stay in the hand, and if it's not an ATxx hand, he's still got as many as 9 outs to have you drawing dead for hi. There may even be a hand with 2 diamonds in it, sticking around for some other draw and have you drawing dead to the diamonds.

I just don't see that the backdoor hi possibilities help in any way with this paired/2 flush flop. I think the analysis should really only be confined to the backdoor low draw.

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I was assuming no value for high, since i think that will be good <2% of the time. and you see no flop/turn raise and get quartered ~20% of time and its ~EV neutral. give or take.

-g

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I see. The discussion we were having with TxRedMan was really centered on the possibilities of the backdoor high adding value to the hand. I didn't think it did, but even if it doesn't, you're still saying that taking one off on the flop is neutral EV? Something just seems wrong there. I'll have to reread everything, but taking one off here for a backdoor low, no high possibility, for a potential 1/2 of the pot just seems to be contrary to everything I've been taught about Omaha.

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that also assumes all the players who stayed in this hand actually stay in, ie. 4 on turn, 2 on river. I'm not saying its good, i'm just saying its close. Personally, I'd have folded on the flop. my point is only that its closer than it appears. and you can make some assumptions (ie. tight agro table) where its EV-

-g