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I'm with the push crowd. Most of the time, you have 16 outs and are the favorite to win.

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yahtzee

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I'm counting the 3 aces, 4 fours, and 8 remaining clubs (not counting the 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] twice) to get to 15. How do you get 16?

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I'm not so sure about the Aces being live, or all the clubs
(high chance somebody else is in there with a draw). But it's still a push.