[mgsimpleton]

ok i'm liking the responses... matt flynn, you say this is unanswerable... i'm not looking for people to guess my specific hand (which happened to be Th8h), my play was definitely non-standard. i was more surprised by how long villain stayed with me than by anything else...

look at villain's actions - i raise two people in what looks like a protected pot (though bb was a bit of a donk and i did think he might actually fold) and yet he still calls... you'd think it would haver to be a strong hand. yes, i am on a draw here though i'm pretty sure i'd play a set the same way if i decided to check/raise, which i often do.

on the turn, i did not get there. This is one main point of why I posted the hand, I knew my turn bet was small. I was going to bet much more but then I looked at his stack and said I would give up if i didn't improve and was called unless a very scary river card came. but with this plan to fire again on a scary river card, i could bet much more on the turn if i wanted any decent fold equity on the river. a couple people here picked up on that. the small turn bet - bigger river bet (relative to pot size) unless the sizes are negligible is often the sign of a bluff, IMO. i try to avoid doing it but sometimes it is unavoifdable, which is why it is a good tell.

anyways seeing as how he didn't just shove, i figured he didn't have KK or TT, and he was preflop raiser. he could have had AQhh as well but i was pretty read to push the money in so i think on the turn he sticks it in there as well. so i couldn't give him credit foranything better than AA/AK (if anyone has a different idea, please enlighten me) and on the river I just prayed it wasn't KQ and shovedand he folded...

anyways that was my thought process about the whole turn bet idea, just thought i'd share and see if there's any feedback about ideas about that.

lastly, i was wondering what people do on the river with a set. let's say i had TT the whole time and this river came - do you still shove? i mean, the thing is... his range hasn't changed in my opinion (and it is still very narrow unless someone can shed some more light here) so a Q or a set isn't any different really unless he has a Q which is very unlikely. i've talked to some people who said they shove with a Q but not with a set - how does that make any sense when his range is still the same? so would people make a smaller value bet or just shove? ideas?