[KneeCo]

Had this back and fourth on MSN with Rizen, thought it was fairly interesting.

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KneeCo® says:
I probably call, you?
Eric says:
I think calling is awful there personally
I think it's push/fold at that stage with that stack
KneeCo® says:
but you have a good hand and position
Eric says:
in that position
Eric says:
you're in MP, calling allows people to come in behind you
Eric says:
and you'll be playing for a ~2k pot with 4.5k left
Eric says:
that's not much maneuvering room
KneeCo® says:
well I dont really like a push there
Eric says:
reasoning?
KneeCo® says:
against an UTG raiser who seems, based on very limited info, to be tight
if you get called, you're probably behind
or have a flip against 99-JJ
and mucking AQ seems a little weak
not that I dont fold that hand sometimes
sometimes without a second thought
Eric says:
well, if your range is right, why is mucking awful?
Eric says:
you've pretty much just said his range is 99+ AQ+
is that accurate?
KneeCo® says:
I think thats his range for calling
KneeCo® says:
a push might get him to fold ATs/AJ and a mid pp
Eric says:
well, I think calling puts you in a very tough situation post-flop
KneeCo® says:
agreed
Eric says:
I mean it may be weak to fold AQ PF
but calling then folding on the flop is weaker IMO
KneeCo® says:
I dunno, its bothering me
Eric says:
I dunno... I think your stack is too small to be calling raises to 900
Eric says:
I think you have to push or fold
KneeCo® says:
I can see that
but which? lol
Eric says:
with no reads on the villian, I probably push, I think pushing is +cEV there
I mean unless he holds AA you're 30% at worst to win
I think he folds ~35-40% of the time
and I'd guess you have about 40% equity against his range when he calls
KneeCo® says:
you think my ranges were fair?
Eric says:
not knowing the player, yeah
KneeCo® says:
equity win / tie

Hand 1: 35.5989 % [ 00.26 00.09 ] { AcQd }
Hand 2: 64.4011 % [ 00.55 00.09 ] { AA-99, AKs-AQs, AKo-AQo }
KneeCo® says:
add to that the possibility of getting a fold
Eric says:
so it's just a question of what your FE is
KneeCo® says:
which may be offset byb the chance of running into a big hand behind you
KneeCo® says:
we don't have the other stacks in the question
Eric says:
it's close IMO... I wouldn't blame a person for folding there at all
Eric says:
I personally would say push/fold/call is the order of the moves, with push/fold being very close, and call being WAYYY behind
KneeCo® says:
so how big does your stack have to be before you can consider calling?
Eric says:
I think the call can be no more than 15% of your stack, and I prefer it be closer to 10% before calling with a hand like AQ or TT
KneeCo® says:
the problem I do see with calling is that you pretty much have to play fit or fold
KneeCo® says:
cause you know the cont bet is coming
Eric says:
yep
KneeCo® says:
and can't really play against it unless you hit
Eric says:
and the truth is, if you're up against AK or KK (the most likely hands that have you dominated) you're screwed if you hit anyways
KneeCo® says:
AA?
Eric says:
unless you hit the A vs the KK
Eric says:
AA is very unlikely against AQ
Eric says:
not impossible
Eric says:
but KK is about twice as likely
Eric says:
6 permutations of KK, 3 of AA
KneeCo® says:
pfft online tournaments are for wimps, all this pf play


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