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The issue is not whether or not we will be victorious in Iraq. The issue is that the problem in Iraq is not fundamentally a military one to begin with, and that all of the administration's idiotic rhetoric about "victory" just obscures the reality that it is really a sociopolitical problem of building a democratic regime with the worst ingredients possible. The insurgency exacerbates this problem, but the problem is much bigger than the insurgency and has no clear solutions.

The Bush administration is either too stupid to understand this or just unwilling to admit it.

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You really don't have a clue yourself do you?

We are facing insurgents using military weapons and tactics yet it isn't a military problem. Sure it's not the conventional military scenario of pitched battles between large combat units, but it is military nonetheless. Unless you are so dim like Cyrus and can't see that low intensity guerilla type warfare is still a subset of warfare.

And if it isn't a conventional military situation, and since the insurgents have shown that they are not willing to allow the democratic process to determine the outcome then what do you have? A police matter? Well if it is then then the SWAT team is needed.

Your attitude is more of the same-o lib inability to see the nuances in military/geo-political situations and apply an appropriate, even if not perfect, strategy. Any military action that lasts more than 3 months obviously must be wrong. Tell that to the insurgents whose objective is to allow us to defeat ourselves by losing our will and withdrawing before the Iraqi government is capable of handling the situation on its own so that they can impose a non-democratic government on their fellow Iraqis.