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Ok, I'm gonna add a little more about my line of thinking here.

In these loose/passive games, most players will play any Ax, and will call any gutshot; for the most part.

Since I don't have any reads on these players, I assume 2 things after this flop.
1. They like their rag A, but they REALLY don't like it that much.
2. They have at least some type of flush/straight draw.

The 8 on the turn is truly a brick. The 8 only helps if they had 76 or A8, and the 76 is very unlikely, because I would have heard by now.

In the river, since it is a non-club Q, this looked like a semi-brick to me. One of them could easily have Qx [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], but since the only player who voluntarily put money into the pot is UTG, I put him on a rag A.

Now what do we do in the river with this type of thinking?

Joe

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Do you think they will call with their UI Ace high? If so, bet and take their free money, since they don't seem to like it. But, against any reasonable player, I check and call, but not overcall.