Re: My Best Ever Lay Down!
Disclaimer: None of the following is intended as an attack. Take it as the best serious, honest advice I have to give you.
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Ok this is my Best ever Lay Down, Id like to here your views on this hand and perhaps any great lay downs you've made yourself.
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Personally I'm surprised you didn't get flamed by at least 10 seperate posters on this line alone.
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Ok I'm on Pacific Poker $5-$10 as usual, In the Big Blind on a very loose table I look down and see KK with 5 limpers, now I no if I raise not one of these players will fold,
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You've certainly got the best hand here - not raising with the best hand is BAD. Your raise isn't intended to get people to fold - it's intended to build a pot with the best hand pre-flop and a hand that is a favorite to win (even against 5 loose opponents) at showdown. Also - if they're not going to fold now, they're probably not going to fold later either - why not juice up the pot with the best hand.
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all I'll be doing is giving them better pot odds later on, and its harder enough getting them outta the pot if its small, if the pots big I'm never gonna beat all 5 of them with KK.
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I'll repeat: If they're not going to fold now, they're probably not going to fold later either. There are plenty of posts on that address exactly why this thinking is wrong. If you are thinking like this, with any regularity, you really need to go back through the last 5-6 pages of posts on here and start reading.
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So I check flop brings 9d5dJh not a great flop for me as now if I bet any 2diamonds will call me, any 67,78,QT,KT,J rag, 9, and probably the 5 will call me, so I check hoping for a check raise to knock a few out, but now everyone checks...
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Letting this get checked through is pretty bad. Nothing like letting all those hands you were worried about see another card for free. Lead the flop and hope that someone raises giving you a chance to three bet and really make them pay to draw. If you would've raised PF a bet here would've likely folded many hands that you want to fold (even in a loose game).
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...and the turn brings a horrible 7d The board now looks like this 9d 5d Jh 7d, one of these 5 players now has me beat, I'm gonna check this but wait the Small Blind bets out, this guy is a real Loose, Passive Player, I mean he was they guy who cracked my JJ to runner runner straight earlier,
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This is called "monsters under the bed" syndrome. Just because a player drew out on your big PP earlier doesn't mean that you should never bet and raise with them anymore!?
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he chases everything but never bets out without a hand, he's either got the Flush, or at least two pair and even if he hasnt I'm sure someone else has got a piece of this board, it was only my Big Blind $5 invested, I FOLD.
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One part of the hand that you may had actually played correctly. I think a lot of 2+2ers would be willing to let this hand go when this bet comes from a player like you describe (then again some may also raise!? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]). The main thing is that you shouldn't be in this situation in the first place.
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One player calls and the River is Qs board is now 9d 5d Jh 7d Qs, horrible board for me but as so many players folded I'm not sure I've done the correct thing, but my read on the Small Blind is pretty good, I mean I've played with this guy for around a month now.
The Small Blind Bets out again and the only other player in the pot calls.
Showdown time Small Blind Shows wait for it Pocket Aces...this is probably the best lay down I've ever made
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Then you probably haven't made enough laydowns.
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due to the non aggression shown throughout the hand, geez I got lucky there holding KK and I didnt lose a penny,
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If it was that lucky then wouldn't it be the "luckiest laydown ever" and not the "best laydown ever"?? Also you lost your $5 blind - just because you had to post it doesn't mean it wasn't your money.
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I mean your forced to put in the $5 blind so that doesnt even count...
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I don't even know how to respond to this!? So basically you're saying that your money doesn't count. I would not believe you if you tell me you're a winning player.
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After that I played a pretty good game ending up around $200..
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Lucky you - and if the rest of your game is based on the premises you've presented in this post - then I do mean LUCKY.
I has been proven over time by many people who know much better than me that passive play like this will not win money in the long run. If you play in this manner with any regularity I suggest you search these forums for resources (there are plenty of posts already) on how to improve your game because it does need improvement (not to mention that these forums may well be the #1 resource).
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