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This is a silly thread. Like other games, both luck and which players go after which makes a huge difference. We might as well declare whether you are a winning p**** player or not based on one randomly dealt hand.

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You are wrong. Initial placement of countries helps, but in the end, negotiation and basic strategy play a huge roll.

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In one game, luck is a huge factor. As for negotiation, I used to play with a group where most of us targeted the same few players for early elimination every time. Ganging up on people is perfectly legitimate, but to suggest that it makes you more "skilled" at the game is a joke.