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Old 01-05-2005, 08:28 AM
scooby scooby is offline
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Default Re: Discounting Outs

omigosh...the advice earlier was absolutely terrible. Call preflop 100% of the time. If you can't play this hand in a multiway pot, stop playing poker. Then, you can either lead out and then push all in over a raise, or just checkraise big. The *ONLY* time you're in trouble is if you get called by a bigger flush draw and a set...hence the push to get a slightly bigger flush draw to fold You don't give a lickety split if AA or KK is out there and limped for some reason. Against only one caller, you're only worried about a set, and still that's about 58-42. Dead money. Lastly, this is not a bad beat. In a multiway pot, as long as you get the other flush draws out, you're fine:

Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=694973
pokenum -h 9h 9s - 4d 5d - 7c 9c -- 3c 6d 8d
Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing 3c 8d 6d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
9s 9h 240 26.58 651 72.09 12 1.33 0.272
5d 4d 452 50.06 451 49.94 0 0.00 0.501
9c 7c 199 22.04 692 76.63 12 1.33 0.227

The problem comes when you allow a hand like j [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] t [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to come along. So push to get it out:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=694974
pokenum -h 9h 9s - 4d 5d - 7c 9c - jd td -- 3c 6d 8d
Holdem Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 3c 8d 6d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
9s 9h 183 22.32 625 76.22 12 1.46 0.230
5d 4d 161 19.63 659 80.37 0 0.00 0.196
9c 7c 199 24.27 609 74.27 12 1.46 0.250
Jd Td 265 32.32 555 67.68 0 0.00 0.323
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