Re: 2-4 Party JJ hand
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So it is the fact that we are not confident we have the best hand then, as I originally guessed? I don't see the point in raising a draw heavy flop with no way to fold out the others even if we do have the best hand. In this case wouldn't the best play be then to call on the flop and then either call or fold on the turn if we are drawing to 2 outs as you suggest?
If you are subtly advocating a call on the flop then I agree, but there isn't much point in a flop raise here.
-DeathDonkey
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I think the raise on the flop is for both value and information. If he 3-bets, then I think we can call and safely muck on the turn. If he just calls, then we likely have the best hand are therefore getting value out of it.
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The problem with this is that it might make the pot so big that you will have to call the turn. If everyone calls the 3-bet on the flop we are looking at like 19:1 on the turn. Calling the flop and then folding the turn looks like the best line to me.
Brad
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