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That sounded a bit philosophical [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Well if I call and hit my card, that's a guaranteed 4.50 at the end of the pot which is just .25 lower if I count my outs to be 8. Since they are not 8 clear I would need my opponent to at least put one more bet in. That doesn't sound pretty bad for a realistic 1/2 loose game does it? I know it looks like a fold and it might be a clear fold, but IMO it'a little bit borderline.