[me454555]

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I like the river bet by itself, but I think the turn is much more interesting. I don't like it. Look at the board. All PPs are calling. All Aces are calling with the gutshot/overcard outs.

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This is true and part of the reason I posted the hand. I do feel that the turn and river are a combined play b/c one sets up ther other. Many hands that villain will hold will call the turn but fold the river UI. If I give up the lead on the turn I have almost no chance of winning the pot. If the gut shot wasn't there, a case could be made for c/ring the the turn but in this case I don't like that line.

I feel that I could prolly get hands like KJ, KQ, QJs to fold the turn but I'm far ahead of them that it doesn't matter too much if they fold. The real problem is that they can bet the turn and it leaves me in a tough spot for the rest of the hand.

On top of that, if I check the turn, I can't hope to fold hands like Ax on the river