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Old 08-16-2004, 07:07 AM
MrFroggyX MrFroggyX is offline
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Default Re: Do you treat min-raises as A) a real raise B)limping hand

the thing is like u have a low pocket pair (66, 55, 44, 33) or something like KQs, AT, hands you would limp with.



The low pocket pair is a real killer (or every pair in NL) when tacking your opponent’s stack!! I would never fold it when someone raises a "standard" raise (4x-5xBB).
It's one off my favourite positions in NL Hold'em.. To call a bet pre-flop with a pocket pair.
But you need to be sure that you have implied odds:

The chance you will flopping a set is 7.5:1
So you must be sure that you can win atleast 8:1 on your Preflop money if you hit a set. Here are some examples:

In all cases you cover your opponent:

Your opponent bets $4. He has $100 left. call! You are getting 25:1 on your money.
Your opponent bets $10. He has $100 left. call!! You are getting 10:1 on your money.
Your opponent bets $3. He has $15 left. Don't call!! You are getting 5:1 on your money.

Off course if other people is in the pot you could apply the implied odds on them also..
I think the biggest moneymakers for me are calling a Preflop bet with a pocket pair.


Here is one hand I played when I called with my 22:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="C00000">MrFroggyX ($109.45)</font>
MP2 ($82.05)
<font color="C00000">MP3 ($102.80)</font>
CO ($79.35)
<font color="C00000">Button ($239.80)</font>
SB ($263)
BB ($100)
UTG ($106.65)
UTG+1 ($204)
<font color="C00000">UTG+2 ($102.65)</font>

Preflop: MrFroggyX is MP1 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $2, MrFroggyX calls $2, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP3 raises to $4</font>, CO folds, <font color="CC3333">Button raises to $10</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $8, MrFroggyX calls $8, MP3 calls $6.

Flop: ($43) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, <font color="CC3333">MrFroggyX bets $20</font>, MP3 calls $20, <font color="CC3333">Button raises to $229.8 (All-In)</font>, UTG+2 calls $92.65 (All-In), MrFroggyX calls $79.45 (All-In), MP3 calls $72.80 (All-In).

Turn: ($557.70) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players, 4 all-in)</font>

River: ($557.70) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players, 4 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $557.70
<font color="green">Main Pot: $413.60, between MrFroggyX, MP3, Button and UTG+2.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by MrFroggyX ($413.60).</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: $0.45, between MrFroggyX, MP3 and Button.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by MrFroggyX ($0.45).</font>
<font color="green">Pot 3: $13.30, between MrFroggyX and Button.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by MrFroggyX ($13.30).</font>
<font color="green">Pot 4: $130.35, returned to Button.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
UTG+2 shows Kh 8h (one pair, eights).
MrFroggyX shows 2c 2s (three of a kind, twos).
MP3 shows 9h Qh (high card, ace).
Button shows Kc As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MrFroggyX wins $427.35. Button wins $130.35. </font>

As you can see thoose little pairs can make you a lot off money.. don't play limit strategy and fold them pre-flop against a bet!
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