From: Segor (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 19:30:27 PST
The site pays, they don't stall your money! They say 2 days, but that is
just to be on safe side. It took them 16 hrs. I got my second cashout of
$50 sent and received to my Neteller account. This site is on up and up.
For $5.99, and I want to use this oportunity to appologize for saying that
the first month is just $5. It's $5.99, well for this amount I am playing
rake free for next 28 days and I saved up $67 in rake this far!!! Show me
a site that GIVES YOU $61 for playing on it for 3 days!!!
Here is the transaction clip (funny: note the transaction numbers, my
first was numbered #2 and my second #8) :
PAYOUTS SUMMARY
Tran # Request Date Last Update Method Status Amount Fees Net
Cancel
2 2004-07-01 02:51:13.387 2004-07-01 18:06:40.0 NETeller ($60.00)
SENT WITHDRAWAL ($60.00) ($1.20) ($58.80)
8 2004-07-02 02:32:40.953 2004-07-02 21:56:49.0 NETeller ($50.97)
SENT WITHDRAWAL ($50.97) ($1.01) ($49.96)
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From: GambleAB (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 19:35:17 PST
Not to burst your delusional bubble, but 2 days after they open, and $100,
are not good barometers to measure the validity of a site.
I also find it funny that you have replied to every other post from the
past few days regarding the site, except for mine this afternoon about how
even if they do PHENOMINALLY WELL, they will barely pull in enough money
per month to pay their bills, much less have any promotional material.
On Jul 3 2004 2:30AM, Segor wrote:
> The site pays, they don't stall your money! They say 2 days, but that is
> just to be on safe side. It took them 16 hrs. I got my second cashout of
> $50 sent and received to my Neteller account. This site is on up and up.
> For $5.99, and I want to use this oportunity to appologize for saying that
> the first month is just $5. It's $5.99, well for this amount I am playing
> rake free for next 28 days and I saved up $67 in rake this far!!! Show me
> a site that GIVES YOU $61 for playing on it for 3 days!!!
>
> Here is the transaction clip (funny: note the transaction numbers, my
> first was numbered #2 and my second #8) :
>
> PAYOUTS SUMMARY
> Tran # Request Date Last Update Method Status Amount Fees Net
> Cancel
> 2 2004-07-01 02:51:13.387 2004-07-01 18:06:40.0 NETeller ($60.00)
> SENT WITHDRAWAL ($60.00) ($1.20) ($58.80)
> 8 2004-07-02 02:32:40.953 2004-07-02 21:56:49.0 NETeller ($50.97)
> SENT WITHDRAWAL ($50.97) ($1.01) ($49.96)
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From: Segor (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 19:53:14 PST
You are right, but, for me these are the stakes I play in and $100 in
about 8 hrs, is a decent chunk of money. I play low stakes and any savings
in rake I can make, means a GREAT DEAL to me, $67 is not to be thrown out
of the window!!!
I am sorry if I didn't reply to your post, I ment no disrespect, but I
just don't know the answer to your question--contrary to the popular
belief, I am not a shill, I don't know what kind of money their marketing
team has to work with... I am just saying: "There is an alternative to
paying high rake now and this is the site!".
On Jul 2 2004 10:34PM, GambleAB wrote:
> Not to burst your delusional bubble, but 2 days after they open, and $100,
> are not good barometers to measure the validity of a site.
> I also find it funny that you have replied to every other post from the
> past few days regarding the site, except for mine this afternoon about how
> even if they do PHENOMINALLY WELL, they will barely pull in enough money
> per month to pay their bills, much less have any promotional material.
>
>
> On Jul 3 2004 2:30AM, Segor wrote:
>
> > The site pays, they don't stall your money! They say 2 days, but that is
> > just to be on safe side. It took them 16 hrs. I got my second cashout of
> > $50 sent and received to my Neteller account. This site is on up and up.
> > For $5.99, and I want to use this oportunity to appologize for saying that
> > the first month is just $5. It's $5.99, well for this amount I am playing
> > rake free for next 28 days and I saved up $67 in rake this far!!! Show me
> > a site that GIVES YOU $61 for playing on it for 3 days!!!
> >
> > Here is the transaction clip (funny: note the transaction numbers, my
> > first was numbered #2 and my second #8) :
> >
> > PAYOUTS SUMMARY
> > Tran # Request Date Last Update Method Status Amount Fees Net
> > Cancel
> > 2 2004-07-01 02:51:13.387 2004-07-01 18:06:40.0 NETeller ($60.00)
> > SENT WITHDRAWAL ($60.00) ($1.20) ($58.80)
> > 8 2004-07-02 02:32:40.953 2004-07-02 21:56:49.0 NETeller ($50.97)
> > SENT WITHDRAWAL ($50.97) ($1.01) ($49.96)
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From: GambleAB (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 20:01:12 PST
You clearly are not understanding what I have to say.
I'm saying that someone cashing out $100 2 days after the site opens is no
big deal. What happens when someone wants to cash out $10,000? What will
happen in 18 months when someone wants to cash out?
If you look at the numbers objectively, you will see that there is no way
a rake free site can profit enough to last. And if the site doesn't last,
is running off with your money that much of a stretch? I don't know how
much it costs to run a site, pay for bandwidth and space and whatnot, pay
employees, rent at least one physical office someplace, and all the other
monthly expenses an internet casino must face, but that figure has got to
be in the hundreds of thousands. That means that the site needs tens of
thousands of people EVERY MONTH to pay $30 to even stay afloat. Where is
the money for marketing, then?
Think about it for 5 minutes before you post next time, please and see if
you can see what the rest of us are saying. Thanks.
On Jul 3 2004 2:53AM, Segor wrote:
> You are right, but, for me these are the stakes I play in and $100 in
> about 8 hrs, is a decent chunk of money. I play low stakes and any savings
> in rake I can make, means a GREAT DEAL to me, $67 is not to be thrown out
> of the window!!!
>
> I am sorry if I didn't reply to your post, I ment no disrespect, but I
> just don't know the answer to your question--contrary to the popular
> belief, I am not a shill, I don't know what kind of money their marketing
> team has to work with... I am just saying: "There is an alternative to
> paying high rake now and this is the site!".
>
>
> On Jul 2 2004 10:34PM, GambleAB wrote:
>
> > Not to burst your delusional bubble, but 2 days after they open, and $100,
> > are not good barometers to measure the validity of a site.
> > I also find it funny that you have replied to every other post from the
> > past few days regarding the site, except for mine this afternoon about how
> > even if they do PHENOMINALLY WELL, they will barely pull in enough money
> > per month to pay their bills, much less have any promotional material.
> >
> >
> > On Jul 3 2004 2:30AM, Segor wrote:
> >
> > > The site pays, they don't stall your money! They say 2 days, but that is
> > > just to be on safe side. It took them 16 hrs. I got my second cashout of
> > > $50 sent and received to my Neteller account. This site is on up and up.
> > > For $5.99, and I want to use this oportunity to appologize for saying that
> > > the first month is just $5. It's $5.99, well for this amount I am playing
> > > rake free for next 28 days and I saved up $67 in rake this far!!! Show me
> > > a site that GIVES YOU $61 for playing on it for 3 days!!!
> > >
> > > Here is the transaction clip (funny: note the transaction numbers, my
> > > first was numbered #2 and my second #8) :
> > >
> > > PAYOUTS SUMMARY
> > > Tran # Request Date Last Update Method Status Amount Fees Net
> > > Cancel
> > > 2 2004-07-01 02:51:13.387 2004-07-01 18:06:40.0 NETeller ($60.00)
> > > SENT WITHDRAWAL ($60.00) ($1.20) ($58.80)
> > > 8 2004-07-02 02:32:40.953 2004-07-02 21:56:49.0 NETeller ($50.97)
> > > SENT WITHDRAWAL ($50.97) ($1.01) ($49.96)
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From: Segor (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 20:20:11 PST
I understood you the first time, mate, but do you understand me? you take
5 before you answer this: Who can say what will happen to Party in 18
months? Can you? Who keeps 10K on line anyway? I never do more than 300 to
500. Those are my stakes, that is my limit. So, someone like me is fine! I
can build my roll to few hudred easily there and stay at those
limits--been doing it for 3 years now. My posts say--so far so good. No
more no less.
On Jul 2 2004 11:01PM, GambleAB wrote:
> You clearly are not understanding what I have to say.
> I'm saying that someone cashing out $100 2 days after the site opens is no
> big deal. What happens when someone wants to cash out $10,000? What will
> happen in 18 months when someone wants to cash out?
> If you look at the numbers objectively, you will see that there is no way
> a rake free site can profit enough to last. And if the site doesn't last,
> is running off with your money that much of a stretch? I don't know how
> much it costs to run a site, pay for bandwidth and space and whatnot, pay
> employees, rent at least one physical office someplace, and all the other
> monthly expenses an internet casino must face, but that figure has got to
> be in the hundreds of thousands. That means that the site needs tens of
> thousands of people EVERY MONTH to pay $30 to even stay afloat. Where is
> the money for marketing, then?
> Think about it for 5 minutes before you post next time, please and see if
> you can see what the rest of us are saying. Thanks.
> On Jul 3 2004 2:53AM, Segor wrote:
>
> > You are right, but, for me these are the stakes I play in and $100 in
> > about 8 hrs, is a decent chunk of money. I play low stakes and any savings
> > in rake I can make, means a GREAT DEAL to me, $67 is not to be thrown out
> > of the window!!!
> >
> > I am sorry if I didn't reply to your post, I ment no disrespect, but I
> > just don't know the answer to your question--contrary to the popular
> > belief, I am not a shill, I don't know what kind of money their marketing
> > team has to work with... I am just saying: "There is an alternative to
> > paying high rake now and this is the site!".
> >
> >
> > On Jul 2 2004 10:34PM, GambleAB wrote:
> >
> > > Not to burst your delusional bubble, but 2 days after they open, and $100,
> > > are not good barometers to measure the validity of a site.
> > > I also find it funny that you have replied to every other post from the
> > > past few days regarding the site, except for mine this afternoon about how
> > > even if they do PHENOMINALLY WELL, they will barely pull in enough money
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From: GambleAB (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 20:36:10 PST
No offense, but who cares how much you keep on an account? Noone is
saying that Mr. Random Internet Guy Whose Only Posts On RGP Are For
ZeroRake is going to get [censored] when the site goes belly-up, but that all
of the players that are taken with your one sided views on the site will
get [censored]. If you have 1000 players who each have an average of $200 on
their accounts, thats $200,000 that people are being screwed out of if the
site shuts down. Not everyone pulls out $50 at a time every other day,
some people grow their bankroll online so that they can make more money.
The facts have it: there is no way a site like this can sustain over a
period of time. Majors like Party and Stars will continue to thrive
because they are raking in hundreds of thousands a day. If you are fine
with playing on a site that will eventually fold up, thats more than
alright, but please stop posting such one sided posts about how great this
place is because everyone is really sick of it, and those of us who have
thought it out understand the reprocussions of playing on such a site and
no amount of successful $50 cash outs will sway us.
On Jul 3 2004 3:19AM, Segor wrote:
> I understood you the first time, mate, but do you understand me? you take
> 5 before you answer this: Who can say what will happen to Party in 18
> months? Can you? Who keeps 10K on line anyway? I never do more than 300 to
> 500. Those are my stakes, that is my limit. So, someone like me is fine! I
> can build my roll to few hudred easily there and stay at those
> limits--been doing it for 3 years now. My posts say--so far so good. No
> more no less.
>
>
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From: Segor (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 20:49:53 PST
You make one point--I don't know how reliable the managment or this site
is--I agree. But then again you make 2 mistakes. 1) you are speaking as if
you know the site will fold and it is just a matter of time. This is
bullshit. You don't know this for certain, do you? 2) Don't tell me what
to post or don't. This is just stupid. I don't tell you to shut up, do I?
Here is the thing: you make too much of an effort to shut me up. Why is
this? You care about other players and what they do with their money? I
don't think so! Here is what I think--you are a PartyPoker or some other
site's affiliate and a site like ZeroRake.com threatens your bottom line.
Am I too far off? I don't think so... you, nor I, don't give a [censored] about
what other players do, we follow the action. I am trying to create the
action for ZeroRake (this is without doubt), but because if the site gets
action, I will be laughing all the way, because of all the money I am
going to save there playing cards. Unlike you, who makes money affiliating
players and telling them Party (or other sites who gives you a deal to
bring in the new players) is the BOMB!
Am I making any sense?
On Jul 2 2004 11:36PM, GambleAB wrote:
> No offense, but who cares how much you keep on an account? Noone is
> saying that Mr. Random Internet Guy Whose Only Posts On RGP Are For
> ZeroRake is going to get [censored] when the site goes belly-up, but that all
> of the players that are taken with your one sided views on the site will
> get [censored]. If you have 1000 players who each have an average of $200 on
> their accounts, thats $200,000 that people are being screwed out of if the
> site shuts down. Not everyone pulls out $50 at a time every other day,
> some people grow their bankroll online so that they can make more money.
> The facts have it: there is no way a site like this can sustain over a
> period of time. Majors like Party and Stars will continue to thrive
> because they are raking in hundreds of thousands a day. If you are fine
> with playing on a site that will eventually fold up, thats more than
> alright, but please stop posting such one sided posts about how great this
> place is because everyone is really sick of it, and those of us who have
> thought it out understand the reprocussions of playing on such a site and
> no amount of successful $50 cash outs will sway us.
>
> On Jul 3 2004 3:19AM, Segor wrote:
>
> > I understood you the first time, mate, but do you understand me? you take
> > 5 before you answer this: Who can say what will happen to Party in 18
> > months? Can you? Who keeps 10K on line anyway? I never do more than 300 to
> > 500. Those are my stakes, that is my limit. So, someone like me is fine! I
> > can build my roll to few hudred easily there and stay at those
> > limits--been doing it for 3 years now. My posts say--so far so good. No
> > more no less.
> >
> >
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From: GambleAB (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 20:58:17 PST
Aaaand you have officially crossed over into idiot paranoia land.
Do some research before you make remarks. I have never posted as an
affiliate for any site. I shouldn't have to post this because anyone can
do a quick search and confirm it for themselves.
What you fail to realize is that this is a DISCUSSION BOARD. Look at all
the posts that aren't your drivel. People are discussing hands and how to
play better. I enjoy showing up mindless cunts like yourself. I point
out your weak trains of thought and point you out for the ignorant trolls
that you are.
I don't mind what other people do, I just enjoy making you look like an
ass.
On Jul 3 2004 3:49AM, Segor wrote:
> You make one point--I don't know how reliable the managment or this site
> is--I agree. But then again you make 2 mistakes. 1) you are speaking as if
> you know the site will fold and it is just a matter of time. This is
> bullshit. You don't know this for certain, do you? 2) Don't tell me what
> to post or don't. This is just stupid. I don't tell you to shut up, do I?
>
> Here is the thing: you make too much of an effort to shut me up. Why is
> this? You care about other players and what they do with their money? I
> don't think so! Here is what I think--you are a PartyPoker or some other
> site's affiliate and a site like ZeroRake.com threatens your bottom line.
> Am I too far off? I don't think so... you, nor I, don't give a [censored] about
> what other players do, we follow the action. I am trying to create the
> action for ZeroRake (this is without doubt), but because if the site gets
> action, I will be laughing all the way, because of all the money I am
> going to save there playing cards. Unlike you, who makes money affiliating
> players and telling them Party (or other sites who gives you a deal to
> bring in the new players) is the BOMB!
>
> Am I making any sense?
>
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From: Segor (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 21:04:15 PST
No doubt in your mind, you do! Consider the contribution you did to this
board in your last post! <- Clapping
On Jul 2 2004 11:58PM, GambleAB wrote:
> play better. I enjoy showing up mindless cunts like yourself. I point
> out your weak trains of thought and point you out for the ignorant trolls
> that you are.
> I don't mind what other people do, I just enjoy making you look like an
> ass.
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From: Asha34 (asha34@aol.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 20:28:16 PST
I am sure that it is possible to run a site that has no rake, getting its
revenue from membership fees. The only question is what those membership fees
need to be and how many members they need to have to make a profit.
It's an intriguing concept at least. Think about it. If people join with
all of their money paid up front then they have a greater incentive to play
more hands -- even if they're losers. If you are a good player and they are a
bad player then they will be losing their money to you -- not to you and to the
house in the form of a rake. Unlike a raked site, a skilled player has an
incentive to play more rather than fewer hands. On a raked site or in a raked
casino, whent he situation is 50/50 it makes sense to play tighter because of
the rake. In an unraked site, like a place that takes time, this isn't the
case.
What is the magic number of players and monthly fee? I have no idea.
Surely, if they want the kind of profits that are generated at the bigger rooms
then they'll need either a huge number of players or a mammoth monthly fee --
which would in turn drive players away.
Intriguing nevertheless.
By the way. I received an unsolicited email asking me if I wanted to try
the site. I don't use anything but PayPal and so can't usually get on a site
anymore. I gladly said yes. They opened an account for me for $50. I have no
idea how I'll get the money out, assuming I actually end up with any money.
But it's an interesting marketing technique.
So far I have had a very hard time finding any games that have more than
three players in them. And even at the very low limits that I found and could
afford with a $50 bankroll, I can honestly say that the other players were
probably at least as good as I am at limit hold em.
There is a rake option by the way. You can just choose to join instead.
Right now, at $5.95 it seemed like a better deal than a 5% rake ($5.00 minimum
in the pot for any rake to take place I think). But who knows if I'll actually
find enough games when I want to play to make this a worthwhile deal. Hard to
imagine how it wouldn't be though. Anyway, $50 free money to play with. Isn't
life grand?
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From: GambleAB (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 20:46:45 PST
The comps of being a well known author.
The numbers I ran were the following, please note that I do not know how
much it costs to run an internet cardroom, but the software, hardware,
internet space, bandwidth, physical office space(s), staff, ect has got to
a fairly large number:
If the site gets 10,000 members (which is a huge number), paying $30/month
(their rate starting next month), than that is $300,000 per month that
they are pulling in. Stars/Party make that in less than 12 hours (100,000
hands per hour, averaging $.50 in rake per hand, is $50,000 an hour.
Assuming the hands per hour number is high and the rake per hand is low,
thats still an easy $300,000 in 12 hours).
Let's take it farther. Let's say that $300,000 per month is enough to pay
all of the bills, and that the site can generate 10,000 players. Where is
the money for marketing going to come from? This is for promotions to
drive players in, affiliates to bring players in, and specials to keep
existing players active. Without these, the site will lose more players
than it takes in, meaning that even if they reach that many players, it
will be hard to sustain.
On Jul 3 2004 3:27AM, Asha34 wrote:
> I am sure that it is possible to run a site that has no rake, getting its
> revenue from membership fees. The only question is what those membership fees
> need to be and how many members they need to have to make a profit.
> It's an intriguing concept at least. Think about it. If people join with
> all of their money paid up front then they have a greater incentive to play
> more hands -- even if they're losers. If you are a good player and they are a
> bad player then they will be losing their money to you -- not to you and to the
> house in the form of a rake. Unlike a raked site, a skilled player has an
> incentive to play more rather than fewer hands. On a raked site or in a raked
> casino, whent he situation is 50/50 it makes sense to play tighter because of
> the rake. In an unraked site, like a place that takes time, this isn't the
> case.
> What is the magic number of players and monthly fee? I have no idea.
> Surely, if they want the kind of profits that are generated at the bigger rooms
> then they'll need either a huge number of players or a mammoth monthly fee --
> which would in turn drive players away.
> Intriguing nevertheless.
> By the way. I received an unsolicited email asking me if I wanted to try
> the site. I don't use anything but PayPal and so can't usually get on a site
> anymore. I gladly said yes. They opened an account for me for $50. I have no
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From: Segor (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 21:00:00 PST
I knew you were an affiliate of PartyPoker or such... Well, tell your
buddies: the times are a changing!!! No more 50 Mil per year!!! No more
raping players regardless of wether they win that day or not! And YOU, you
will just have to get a job, cuz you can't play cards to save your life!
Rake or not. Ain't this situation just a big BITCH! But don't worry, I
heard McD is hiring! Go get them, tiger!
On Jul 2 2004 11:46PM, GambleAB wrote:
> The comps of being a well known author.
> The numbers I ran were the following, please note that I do not know how
> much it costs to run an internet cardroom, but the software, hardware,
> internet space, bandwidth, physical office space(s), staff, ect has got to
> a fairly large number:
>
> If the site gets 10,000 members (which is a huge number), paying $30/month
> (their rate starting next month), than that is $300,000 per month that
> they are pulling in. Stars/Party make that in less than 12 hours (100,000
> hands per hour, averaging $.50 in rake per hand, is $50,000 an hour.
> Assuming the hands per hour number is high and the rake per hand is low,
> thats still an easy $300,000 in 12 hours).
>
> Let's take it farther. Let's say that $300,000 per month is enough to pay
> all of the bills, and that the site can generate 10,000 players. Where is
> the money for marketing going to come from? This is for promotions to
> drive players in, affiliates to bring players in, and specials to keep
> existing players active. Without these, the site will lose more players
> than it takes in, meaning that even if they reach that many players, it
> will be hard to sustain.
>
> On Jul 3 2004 3:27AM, Asha34 wrote:
>
> > I am sure that it is possible to run a site that has no rake, getting its
> > revenue from membership fees. The only question is what those membership fees
> > need to be and how many members they need to have to make a profit.
> > It's an intriguing concept at least. Think about it. If people join with
> > all of their money paid up front then they have a greater incentive to play
> > more hands -- even if they're losers. If you are a good player and they are a
> > bad player then they will be losing their money to you -- not to you and to the
> > house in the form of a rake. Unlike a raked site, a skilled player has an
> > incentive to play more rather than fewer hands. On a raked site or in a raked
> > casino, whent he situation is 50/50 it makes sense to play tighter because
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From: scotchboy (anonymous@chadbourn.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 23:18:45 PST
On Jul 2 2004 10:01PM, GambleAB wrote:
> > If you look at the numbers objectively, you will see that there is no way
> a rake free site can profit enough to last.
And where are these numbers to look at?
> And if the site doesn't last,
> is running off with your money that much of a stretch? I don't know how
> much it costs to run a site,
Ah.... I see. You don't know....
> pay for bandwidth and space and whatnot, pay
> employees, rent at least one physical office someplace, and all the other
> monthly expenses an internet casino must face, but that figure has got to
> be in the hundreds of thousands.
Hundreds of thousands per month? What planet are you on?
> That means that the site needs tens of
> thousands of people EVERY MONTH to pay $30 to even stay afloat. Where is
> the money for marketing, then?
> Think about it for 5 minutes before you post next time, please and see if
> you can see what the rest of us are saying. Thanks.
Whatever. You are pulling numbers out of your ass.
More importantly, did it ever occur to you that the parent company doesn't
mind losing money in the short term if they can attract those tens of
thousands of customers?
> On Jul 3 2004 2:53AM, Segor wrote:
>
> > You are right, but, for me these are the stakes I play in and $100 in
> > about 8 hrs, is a decent chunk of money. I play low stakes and any savings
> > in rake I can make, means a GREAT DEAL to me, $67 is not to be thrown out
> > of the window!!!
> >
> > I am sorry if I didn't reply to your post, I ment no disrespect, but I
> > just don't know the answer to your question--contrary to the popular
> > belief, I am not a shill, I don't know what kind of money their marketing
> > team has to work with... I am just saying: "There is an alternative to
> > paying high rake now and this is the site!".
> >
> >
> > On Jul 2 2004 10:34PM, GambleAB wrote:
> >
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From: GambleAB (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 23:38:15 PST
Since you know all the numbers of running a high-end internet card room,
please enlighten me. I've given my guesstimates and never claimed they
were hard fact, so please give me something to discuss other than mindless
[censored] denials and pitiful name calling.
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From: Grant Peacock (grantpeacock@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-03 00:09:37 PST
"GambleAB" <anonymous@hotmail.com> wrote:
(snips)
> I don't know how
> much it costs to run a site, pay for bandwidth and space and whatnot, pay
> employees, rent at least one physical office someplace, and all the other
> monthly expenses an internet casino must face, but that figure has got to
> be in the hundreds of thousands. That means that the site needs tens of
> thousands of people EVERY MONTH to pay $30 to even stay afloat. Where is
> the money for marketing, then?
OKBridge.com pays all those expenses you just listed, and makes money,
and they only charge $99 a year. So, I would think that if zerorake
can get $360 a year from people they might make money. Obviously, the
$5.99 membership and the refunding of deposit fees are only to get
people in the door.
Personally, I wonder why somebody doesn't start a site called
onedollarrake.com, which would offer a nice discount compared to the
$3 rake sites.
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From: GambleAB (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-03 00:22:24 PST
I would imagine that the costs to run an internet poker room are higher
than those to run an internet bridge room. Not to mention the fact that
with a poker room, you need to purchase space overseas to circumvent the
illegality of it.
On Jul 3 2004 7:09AM, Grant Peacock wrote:
> "GambleAB" <anonymous@hotmail.com> wrote:
> (snips)
> > I don't know how
> > much it costs to run a site, pay for bandwidth and space and whatnot, pay
> > employees, rent at least one physical office someplace, and all the other
> > monthly expenses an internet casino must face, but that figure has got to
> > be in the hundreds of thousands. That means that the site needs tens of
> > thousands of people EVERY MONTH to pay $30 to even stay afloat. Where is
> > the money for marketing, then?
>
> OKBridge.com pays all those expenses you just listed, and makes money,
> and they only charge $99 a year. So, I would think that if zerorake
> can get $360 a year from people they might make money. Obviously, the
> $5.99 membership and the refunding of deposit fees are only to get
> people in the door.
>
> Personally, I wonder why somebody doesn't start a site called
> onedollarrake.com, which would offer a nice discount compared to the
> $3 rake sites.
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From: Segor (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-03 00:34:32 PST
That would only make it cheaper. Tax shelter laws are like 5% income, no?
Internet is everywhere now...
On Jul 3 2004 3:21AM, GambleAB wrote:
> I would imagine that the costs to run an internet poker room are higher
> than those to run an internet bridge room. Not to mention the fact that
> with a poker room, you need to purchase space overseas to circumvent the
> illegality of it.
>
> On Jul 3 2004 7:09AM, Grant Peacock wrote:
>
> > "GambleAB" <anonymous@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > (snips)
> > > I don't know how
> > > much it costs to run a site, pay for bandwidth and space and whatnot, pay
> > > employees, rent at least one physical office someplace, and all the other
> > > monthly expenses an internet casino must face, but that figure has got to
> > > be in the hundreds of thousands. That means that the site needs tens of
> > > thousands of people EVERY MONTH to pay $30 to even stay afloat. Where is
> > > the money for marketing, then?
> >
> > OKBridge.com pays all those expenses you just listed, and makes money,
> > and they only charge $99 a year. So, I would think that if zerorake
> > can get $360 a year from people they might make money. Obviously, the
> > $5.99 membership and the refunding of deposit fees are only to get
> > people in the door.
> >
> > Personally, I wonder why somebody doesn't start a site called
> > onedollarrake.com, which would offer a nice discount compared to the
> > $3 rake sites.
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From: Asha34 (asha34@aol.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-03 04:29:21 PST
In between all of the hysteria, there is are some interesting things to observe
in this thread.
Some people really seem to get off on being experts on matters of opinion.
Hell, I know I do.
I learned when I was about 12 or 13 that if you sound really certain, many
people will assume you are correct -- even if you are making stuff up.
Unfortunately, though that works with maybe 90% of the people -- who will defer
to your opinion -- it sets off at least 5% of the population who will be pissed
off that you're such an opinionated loudmouth. They take your "certainty"
personally and will get in your face to contest it.
But they're not the real problem. The real problem for the opinion experts
are the 5% or so who know you are full of beans but who politely don't say
anything -- and who carry with them a permanent impression of you as a bs
artist. You don't know who they are but they know who you are.
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From: Jon Ingellis (ingellis@castcom.net)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 20:07:36 PST
"Segor" <anonymous@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6ToFc.18815411$Id.3102867@news.easynews.com.. .
> The site pays, they don't stall your money! They say 2 days, but that is
> just to be on safe side. It took them 16 hrs. I got my second cashout of
> $50 sent and received to my Neteller account. This site is on up and up.
> For $5.99, and I want to use this oportunity to appologize for saying that
> the first month is just $5. It's $5.99, well for this amount I am playing
> rake free for next 28 days and I saved up $67 in rake this far!!! Show me
> a site that GIVES YOU $61 for playing on it for 3 days!!!
Oh my god! Cashouts are honored! I do not believe it!!
Why you posting anonymously? You wouldn't be a shill now, would you?
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From: Segor (anonymous@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: My SECOND successful cashout on ZeroRake.com
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Date: 2004-07-02 20:22:58 PST
It's a default option to post that way... Why do you need to know my
e-mail? Wanna buy me a dinner and a movie? Take me dancing?
On Jul 2 2004 11:07PM, Jon Ingellis wrote:
> "Segor" <anonymous@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6ToFc.18815411$Id.3102867@news.easynews.com.. .
> > The site pays, they don't stall your money! They say 2 days, but that is
> > just to be on safe side. It took them 16 hrs. I got my second cashout of
> > $50 sent and received to my Neteller account. This site is on up and up.
> > For $5.99, and I want to use this oportunity to appologize for saying that
> > the first month is just $5. It's $5.99, well for this amount I am playing
> > rake free for next 28 days and I saved up $67 in rake this far!!! Show me
> > a site that GIVES YOU $61 for playing on it for 3 days!!!
>
>
> Oh my god! Cashouts are honored! I do not believe it!!
>
> Why you posting anonymously? You wouldn't be a shill now, would you?
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