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If we have twelve outs the turn can indeed be checkraised for value should the player on his left bet and all players call. We are getting 3-1 on the money that goes in, and we are slightly less than 1-3 underdog to spike one of the twelwe outs.

I think it is absurd though, too assume that we have twelve clean outs. The only thing we dare extract value from on the river (do alot of raising and betting) is if we hit the flush. Also, If we make the turn checkraise we prolly have to see a SD anyway because the pot would be so large.