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Old 03-07-2004, 08:08 PM
Jim Kuhn Jim Kuhn is offline
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Default Re: Collusion Detected - Question

The following is what I sent to Pacific Poker. Hopefully, they will find these two colluded, confiscate their funds, return my $367, and bar them from the site. The email I sent was slightly different as I placed hand three first, utilized real user names, etc. The $367 certainly will not break me but if I was cheated out of it I would like it back!



The following situation happened on Pacific Poker last night. The two players in question sat down within five minutes of each other. Also Colluder 1 sat down in a seat, left the table and colluder 2 sat in that same seat before a hand was played.

Several times colluder 1 would bet and colluder 2 would raise. They would also have colluder 1 check, colluder 2 bet and when it came around colluder 1 would (check)raise. The hand where I 'caught' them is outlined below. I immediately said 'that was not right. I think you two are colluding'. Colluder 1 immediately left the table even though the blinds were not on him. Colluder 2 sat out. I told the rest of the table 'these two have been colluding'. I left the table to view the history replayer. Sorry this is not easier to view or explain.

Hand 1916954993

Colluder 2 sits down and posts behind the button. Blinds call and first two players call, colluder 1 calls and player between colluders calls. Colluder 2 checks.

Flop Q 4 4
both blinds check and both ep players check. Colluder 1 bets, between calls and colluder 2 raises. Colluder 1 reraises. They are trying to move between off of the pot. Between and colluder 2 calls.

Turn Q
Colluder 1 bets between calls and colluder 2 gives up as it is clear between is committed to this pot.

River 7
Colluder 1 bets as a last ditch effort to buy this pot. Between calls.

Between J 4 Flopped trip 4's made full house
colluder 1 10 2 Nothing but a failed attempt to collude and steal a pot.
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hand 1916955879

colluder 1 calls utg, between calls and colluder 2 calls, the button and both blinds call.

Flop 9 9 5
Both blinds check, colluder 1 bets, between folds and colluder 2 raises. All fold to leave the colluders heads up.

Turn 10
1 checks 2 bets and 1 calls

River A
1 bets 2 raises 1 calls
colluder 2 catches an ace on the river to make Aces. He reraised colluder 1 with nothing. Colluder 1 mucks but could not beat aces. He bet acting like he had trip nines on the flop, colluder 2 raised acting like he also had trip nines. They were successful at running all of the other players out of the pot.
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hand 1916956520

utg calls, colluder 1 calls, between folds, colluder 2 calls, I call with A J , button calls along with both blinds.

Flop A K 9
utg bets, colluder 1 calls, colluder 2 calls, I raise, button calls, blinds fold, both colluders call.

Turn 7
Check to me and I bet, button folds, utg calls along with both colluders.

River 2
Check to colluder 2 and he bets, I call, utg folds, colluder 1 (check)raises, colluder 2 reraises, I fold. Colluder 1 folds. Colluder 1 checkraises and folds for one more bet with $367 in the pot. He was not bluff checkraising with a bettor and me calling. He may have been bluffing if he bet out.


Please review the above as well as the history of these two players. How often they play together, betting patterns, etc. Please block their accounts as soon as possible. I would appreciate it if you would confiscate their funds, place the $367 they colluded from me back in my account and bar them from playing at your site. The rest of their funds you may keep, give back to the players or charity, etc. I know game integrity is your primary concern. Your site has been my primary site over the past 18 months to 2 years. I have referred you to many people in person and via the pokerforums listed below.

I have/am posting these same details on several online poker forums. Among them are twoplustwo.com, casinomeister.com, thepokerforum.com, pokerpages.com, unitedpokerforum.com and onlinepokerreview.com. I will post on others as time and research allows. I would like to reply to my posts that you have taken the steps to remove your site of colluders and rightfully compensated those colluded against. Please let me know when your research is complete. Thank you for your help and timely response.

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
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