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Old 12-20-2005, 07:09 PM
Sykes Sykes is offline
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Default Re: raised 99 with Ace on flop against pfreraiser

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Don't cap preflop with 99.

Sykes is correct, check/fold. Hero missed this flop and doesn't have the odds to continue, especially against a TAG.

Do you normally play tables this tight? If so, I recommned seeking out some looser tables.

Regards, LG

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he's likely weak - so i'd fire a bet on the flop.
what hands raise UTG but won't cap it preflop? any tag will know you have AQ or AJ...if he has JJ-KK he's folding a lot here.

(and i wouldn't cap preflop out of position against this guy)

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I get 1:7 to my flop bet, that means I need only 14% of success to break even. According to probability of 30% of KK, QQ, JJ, TT, TAG should fold half of the time with such hands to give me the profit.
I think the bet on TAG would be correct, weak players as I notice calls their QQ to the end anyway.

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your usage of "weak" is incorrect.
a weak player will tend to fold.
a passive player will tend to call down.

calling down with QQ on an ace high board is playing passively.
folding with QQ on an ace high board is playing weakly.


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stop, just stop.

calling down with QQ here is not playing passively, it's playing correctly.

this is a perfect WA/WB situation.

if you fail to see this, then there is no hope for you.

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listen up, "passive" doesn't equal "incorrect". playing passively can be correct sometimes. and calling down with QQ on an ace-high board IS DEFINITELY playing passively.

WA/WB? wtf are you talking about?
what hands are the OP way ahead of?
are you talking about the 3-betting tag?
if so, he can't use the WA/WB line because he has position on the OP - so in no way is this a perfect WA/WB.

settle down.

this is all a semantic argument anyway. i was merely pointing out some vocabulary issues.

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Sorry, usually when people say "playing passively" they usually mean not getting max value out of the hand.

Talking about WA/WB (way ahead/way behind). I was talking about villian and not OP. Hence why I said check/fold would be the best play here.

And you can use the WA/WB line in position (QQ) by just calling down here. Many times people will show you JJ/TT/99 or something ridiculous and your hand will be good.
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