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Old 12-20-2005, 03:02 AM
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Default Re: TQs BB. Standard?

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I don't think these numbers come close to estimating your preflop equtiy. Q10 is a hand that is easily dominated and if someone is limping with QJ or KQ or K10 it destroys your equity.

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How often would you say that this would happen?

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Guess it would really depend on how bad the limpers are and how passive they are preflop. I'm too tired to even attempt to do any math right now, but if wanted to humor me I'd appreciate if you'd give it a shot.

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My point here is that it probably doesn't happen too often, or our pokerstove equity would be much less than it currently says it is. Therefore we don't have to worry so much about that. Also, miller says that domination for suited hands doesn't matter as much in multiway pots.

--Dave.

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Fair enough, but I do think that as the VPIP of the limpers goes down then our equity goes down as well. Even Eskimo's second equity calculation assumes 5 really really bad limpers. And I also agree that domination is not as big of an issue for a hand like this that plays well multi-way, but as a default, for me at least, it is big enough of an issue, combined with having to play the hand OOP (which you explained nicely below) that I don't raise preflop. But playing OOP is the overriding factor IMO as well.
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