[DavidC]

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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 16.8630 % 15.69% 01.17% { QdTd }
Hand 2: 14.1779 % 13.05% 01.13% { 44+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A3o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 3: 14.2672 % 13.13% 01.13% { 44+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A3o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 4: 14.1690 % 13.04% 01.13% { 44+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A3o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 5: 14.2151 % 13.07% 01.14% { 44+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A3o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 6: 14.1696 % 13.03% 01.14% { 44+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A3o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 7: 12.1382 % 11.41% 00.72% { random }


that is a razor thin value raise.

so i guess it comes down to whether raising will likely improve your relative situation postflop?

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For purposes of argument, I actually like Schwartzy's number better.

However, let's say that we have a "pokerstove equity" of 19%...

Two things hurt here:

1) If we don't get to the river we aren't allowed to use that whole pokerstove equity, right, so we have to take a discount...

2) Being out of position sucks. Check your pokertracker for what your BB/100 is when you're UTG. If that number is negative, then you may want to reconsider raising here.

So, there's my snotkicking done with... I think we have to be a little more conservative when it comes to figuring out our actual equity in the hand than what pokerstove tells us.

We need to be able to make money post-flop with this hand in order to justify playing it. If your UTG bb/100 isn't very high, then you probably aren't going to be making money post-flop with this hand. Also, if your UTG VPIP is really low, then you're furthermore entering pots while UTG with hands much better than QTs, and _still_ losing money. Therefore a check here starts to make a lot more sense, but I'm not sure what the numbers would have to look like before you'd check rather than raise.

Edit: One thing is good though. We're also allowed to deny our opponents their pokerstove equity through betting into them and making them fold stuff like AK before the river, etc.