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I dont like quoting these kinds of posts, they take forever, so again, in order.

The fact that the most destruction has been caused by governments only proves that I am right. There are two reasons for this. One, although there are governments that prevent anarchy, there is no governing body for governments, meaning that the world is still anarchic in nature. Nothing prevents wars from breaking out. Obviously, on an international scale, there is a lot of destruction, and it is caused by the inherint anarchy of the world. Now, imagine that same destruction and chaos within a state. This brings me to my second point. Remember New Orleans after Katrina? I remember hearing about lots of looting, rapes, and general killing. That happened because there was few police officers to stop them. You say that military can work without government, but instead you will get what you got in NO, Roaming gangs that are out strictly for themselves.

Now, banks may be made by people, but the only reason they can safely exist is with protection. If there is no protection from bank robbers, then there are no banks; they will go out of business. If there are private means of enforcement, like you say there should be, then that can only lead to those groups either taking over the banks or fighting other banks. You will have a real mob rule, and by mob, I mean in a mafia sense.

I would love to hear your argument for NO statism.

We is the people. In theory, government's are formed by social contract. If you don't like our form of government, you are certainly welcome to do something about it.

I never said cooperation is not possible without government. People will cooperate and fight each other for land, food, weapons, etc. In the end, this does equal "ultimate domination", and you like to put it. What I think you are saying is that people will cooperate out of the goodness of their hearts, and I HIGHLY disagree with any such notion. Show me that happening once in all of human history. I don't think you will be able to, everything can be spun in such a way to make it look like it is pure self-interests.

People die within governments, but they certainly live longer. The average age that a person lives now is around 78 years old or so. How long will it be when there is constant fighting? Here is an example: deers live in the wild, so it can be said that they live in an anarchic state. How many deers die of old age? Most deers are either killed by predators, hunted by humans, or die of some other unnatural cause. Deers do not die of old age, when they get old enough to be weak, they are killed and eaten. That is what would happen to US were we to live in the same state of nature. As a philosopher once said, life would be "nasty, brutish, and short".

The majority of the people created the government. The ones that did not want in, stayed out, and were killed off by a government or within themselves.

"Wow. The status quo is always correct by virtue of the fact that it is the status quo. This is really amazing stuff."

Sorry, I do not know what this means, nor what it has to do with my example of robbing banks being -EV.

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