[ACPlayer]

WHile it is true that the war cannot be won militarily, the real problem is that there is no clear goal for the war (see the many goals articulated over the past few years). Even now the goals are all fuzzy rather than clear cut.

I kept hearing we must defeat the enemy with our Iraqi partners (or words to that effect) but what exactly is the enemy and how do know when we have defeated the enemy.

Clearly according to the Prez we must defeat the enemy to be safe in America -- I wish I knew what enemy we are fighting in Iraq so we can be safe in America.

Clearly we must make Iraq free and democratic. But what exactly is this democracy -- is running an election a democracy? What about if those who are close pals with the IRanian's rise to power (democratically!!!) have we won?

There is no definition of victory. We simply must get there though according tot he prez.

Getting to the river is not a goal. Winning something tangible should be the goal.