Re: check up
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What's wrong with flop? you guys never peel gutters?
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I do, but in this case, she has to make that call to pick up the pot a decent % of the time she misses (AND) get paid off when she hits; both are tough, as they're often contradictory.
It's tougher to do this, as well, when one is out of position, also, stacks are not deep enough to warrant calling this on implied odds.*
edit - ok, stacks are 700, once villain makes flop bet effective stack is 600. if vanessa calls pot is about 200. She's going to hit the gutshot about 1 in 11; So if she loses 60 (the flop bet) 10 times, she's -600 there, then once she needs to get villains stack to make it +. Problem is, this assumes a. she always gets paid off and b. villain has no redraw equity. Reality is both are far from the truth, as sometimes villain has nothing (but taking the pot away later is tough) and sometimes he has a big something (ie 4flush, turn is Qd, you get all in he's favorite, or he has 2pair or set, and has outs when you turn Q)
personally, and im by no means right, but my default is to raise pot with ATo, im folding to a reraise (even if its "cheap") and i'd pot this flop. if I limped, i'd fold to the raise. if i limped and did call, i think leading for pot is better then check calling a (near) pot bet, but check folding isn't terrible.
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