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Old 12-13-2005, 12:29 AM
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Default Re: Who is your hero?

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For a long time I had no heroes but right now I think I have two, Bill Gates and Ingrid Newkirk (the co-founder & director of PETA).

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The same Ingrid Newkirk who complained to Yasser Arafat about a the fact a donkey got killed in a terrorist attack which killed people as well.
Who said that the winner of the Indy 500 drinking milk was mocking cows
Who want's to get eaten when she dies
Who believes that the yearly slaughter of chickens is comprable to the
holocaust.

Good Choice

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I don't really want to get into a fight about this. I agree that she has made many melodramatic and counterproductive pronouncements. However, I believe that many of these pronouncements (for example the equation of the Holocaust with factory farming) would not seem anywhere near as outrageous to you or many other reasonable people if you had as complete an understanding of the depth and extent of animal exploitation as she does. Furthermore, I have a lot of respect for the sincerity, seriousness, and longevity of her commitment in the face of persistent public scepticism & apathy & the concerted efforts of powerful business interests to discredit & ridicule her effors. Finally, I have found her uncommonly generous & gracious in her personal relationships.

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It doesn't take much effort to ridicule her.

She opposes pet ownership as slavery, yet wrote multiple books about cat ownership.

This is the same Ingrid Newkirk who opposes any medical research on animals but uses insulin herself, which would not be possible without the use of animals.

This is the same Ingrid Newkirk who opposes even the use of guide dogs for the blind.

This woman is one of the biggest hypocrites in the world today.

You don't get to say that you don't want to fight about this and then continue to defend your position.

It particularly irritates me that she supplies ammunition to my political opponents. (As if right-wing nutjobs need any help right now.) She damages more reasonable animal welfare positions by allowing them to be lumped in with PETA insanity.
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