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Old 12-12-2005, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: Overcall with the 2nd Nuts?

Raise preflop. KQs plays fairly well multiway. It plays even better in a shorthanded pot. I'd just as soon not give someone the excuse to get into the pot with A3s or A9o when playing this hand. Besides which, if the table is that loose, you'll probably get your multiway pot anyhow...and most (if not all) of the callers will be incorrect to do so.

The whole hand plays differently if you'd raised preflop, but for the sake of argument we'll just go with your line.

Flop: Raise. Two reasons--first of all, a lot of hands are going to call 2 on this flop. Any decent heart will, a lot of pocket pairs will (thinking you're just isolating on the short stack and/or raising with two overs + heart draw), and given the way many 5/10 opponents I've seen play, something as lame as two overs or a gutshot will. This is exactly the kind of flop where players look to find a reason to stay in, and many of them will.

The added benefit is that the BB is almost out of chips. A good percentage of the time, especially if he's on an overpair and/or flush draw of his own, he will just 3-bet and get his last $5 in the pot, allowing you to then call and look for overcallers, then donk the turn because you're representing a weak made hand that's scared of the flush potential, and not the actual flush. Not that anyone ever believes you flopped a flush, anyway.

The instant the BB raises preflop, you should know that he's going all in on this hand. He's only got $15 behind, so it really makes little difference to him at that point. After you flop a monster, you should be looking to let him get his remaining chips into the middle as quickly as possible, so that you can control the action on the later streets and allow those drawing dead to tag along til the river.

Again, given the way you played this on the flop, I think you're probably better off just going for overcalls on the turn. When the Q shows up, coupled with you calling the flop & raising the turn, there are fewer hands which will convince themselves to call 2 BBs than there would have been on the flop (for 2 SBs). At this point the only hands which would call a raise are real draws (T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] plus, more likely J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] plus, OESD) or made hands. Backdoor draws are caput, gutshots are far more likely to give up, small pocket pairs now have to worry about the hearts and a scary overcard, and nobody has two overcards anymore.

So, yeah, I think it is an interesting choice to make on the turn, but I think you kinda played yourself into this corner. Also, lest we forget, the pot was already big on the flop (11.4 SBs when it got to you), so there really wasn't much call for slowplaying a strong but potentially vulnerable hand.
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